A conversation between Kunci and Michael Karabinos, an artist-archivist based in Amsterdam. His research tells us about a controversial archive called Djogja Documenten which was seized by the Dutch army during the second aggression in 1948. His exploration on the return of displaced archive implies crucial moment Indonesia-Netherlands recovered cooperation as Suharto took power. The discussion was followed by his archival project about Van Abbe's tobacco business. The discussion later revolves around the question of authenticity and politics of archiving.

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